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kamomil
10:30 am - Eabhnat - pronunciation?
Pronunciation: Eabhnat/Eabhnait
any suggestions?

I am assuming "ev-net" but I would appreciate any input as I am nowhere near being a native Gaeilge speaker.

Thanks!

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From:muckefuck
Date:April 20th, 2014 07:52 pm (UTC)
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Ní Gaeilgeoir dúchais atá ionamsa ach oiread, but I would say [ˈaun̪ˠɪtʲ]. (Something like OW-nit.) Bh and mh generally form a diphthong with the preceding vowel in these cases.
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From:kean_herself
Date:April 20th, 2014 11:35 pm (UTC)
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I'd pronounce it Eh'v-na, with the Eh'v sounding like Meave (Meabh) without the M.
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From:muckefuck
Date:April 21st, 2014 02:40 am (UTC)
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Cad í an oiliúint atá agat?

The proper name is "Méabh", with a síneadh fada. Éa is a completely different vowel sound than ea.

Edited at 2014-04-21 02:43 am (UTC)
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From:kamomil
Date:April 21st, 2014 03:53 am (UTC)
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I have seen it in Google as "Éabhnait" with the fada, sorry about that. I guess it is probably "ayv-net" or "ayv-na" then?
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From:kamomil
Date:April 21st, 2014 04:15 am (UTC)
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Now that I do more Google searches, I have found a few people who spell it Eabhnat Ní... with no fada over the E, yet they use one with the Ní, so I guess it doesn't have a fada then.

However I have seen one or two of Éabhnait. :/

Edited at 2014-04-21 04:16 am (UTC)
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From:embryomystic
Date:April 21st, 2014 05:23 am (UTC)
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I googled specifically for Éabhnait and only got results relating to Éabhnait Scanlon. I'd wager that the proper spelling is without the síneadh fada, but that someone liked the look of it with, and named their daughter that way. muckefuck's IPA transcription applies.
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From:muckefuck
Date:April 21st, 2014 12:46 pm (UTC)
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The spelling Eabhnat seems more common, and I couldn't find any instances of that with É.

Eabhnait does lead to an old copy of the Irish saints' calendar, leaving me to wonder how the name of an obscure Donegal saint got revived by a family in Kerry.
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From:kamomil
Date:April 21st, 2014 07:44 pm (UTC)
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The Eamhnait reference that I was able to found was a mythology reference - http://www.mythologydictionary.com/eamhnait-mythology.html

You never know where people dig names up, and they just sound right to them, so they use them. I suppose if people are dedicated to finding Irish first names for their kids, they have to do research for ones that are short, and not too hard to spell. Though there are a number of Caoilfhionns on Twitter.

My sister used 2 Irish names for her kids. When I do a Google search for one name, I find a bunch of people who are on Linkedin and IMDB, so clearly a name that is in current use. When I do a search for the other name, I found a bunch of saints' wikipedia pages, so probably another name that would have someone scratching their head as to how it got revived. (my sister has a blog and uses their names, so I want to protect their privacy)
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From:muckefuck
Date:April 21st, 2014 08:30 pm (UTC)
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I'm always sceptical of references without citations like that.

Googling Eamhnait found only personal names, but Eamhnat shows up in the martyrologies again, this time as the mother of St Moling, a native of Kerry. So perhaps there's the local connexion. (Formerly, Munster speakers had a distinction between amh and abh--the first of these would be nasalised--but I think this went extinct in the previous century. Nowadays Eamhnat would have exactly the same pronunciation as Eabhnat, namely [ˈaun̪ˠət̪ˠ].)

According to Ó Siadhail, abh/amh is also vocalised to [uː] (Clare) or [oː] (Donegal). So the pronunciations OO-nit/nuht and OWE-nit/nuht would be possible as well.
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From:andi
Date:April 24th, 2014 12:03 pm (UTC)
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[o:] for amh is correct for Donegal dialect, but in some cases you can encounter [au] for abh.
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From:kamomil
Date:April 25th, 2014 12:05 am (UTC)
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Thankyou!
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From:andi
Date:April 24th, 2014 12:06 pm (UTC)
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I would say it has to be pronounced as ['aʊnət] / ['aʊnət’] in Standard Irish and in Munster dialect.
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From:kamomil
Date:April 25th, 2014 12:05 am (UTC)
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Thankyou!
From:(Anonymous)
Date:December 19th, 2014 01:05 am (UTC)
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Hello gach duine,
My name is Eabhnait Ni Scanlain/ Scanlon in English , yes probably the result you have found on Google ! My uncle is a native Irish speaker from Wexford with a great passion for the Irish language. He is the one who suggested the name Eabhnait to my mother. He claims that apparently one of the great Irish legends or myths had a sister called Eabhnait! My name is pronounced Ave-net! Similar to the other Irish name Eabha without the "a" in the middle and "net" at the end!
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From:kamomil
Date:December 22nd, 2014 12:12 am (UTC)
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Thanks! Is the first syllable pronounced to rhyme with "cave"?

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